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I'm having another Veronica Mars situation, that is leading me to write at length. And, in what may be a first for this journal, I'm focusing on two boys. And their friendship. Specifically Logan and Dick, and this scene. 

So what we have here is Dick showing up at Logan's door at the end of S3E1, and Logan telling him he can stay there, followed by Dick completely breaking down and Logan literally being a shoulder to cry on (side note: This was the first episode of VM I ever saw, and to say that I was confused by this would be an understatement. This whole thing makes literally no sense without S2 context). 

But it's what isn't being said or done in this scene that makes it so important. So let's put it in context shall we?

Season 2 ended with the reveal that Cassidy, Dick's little brother, was a mass-murderer and also a rapist. He then threw himself off the roof of the Neptune Grand, the same hotel where Logan lives. And Logan, who is Dick's friend, was there on the roof when it happened. Now, a quick look at the S3E1 interaction between Logan and Dick, and Dick's actions, prior to this scene: 

Logan: Guess who I saw on campus today?
Veronica: Some girl going wild?
L: No, my BFF, Dick.
V: I thought he was crashing with his dad in the Caymans.
L: Naw, he's back.
V: You guys talk?
L: Yeah, but it was brief. Shouted his name, flipped me off...the bonds of friendship.

L: Hey, uh... people are saying Dick's a mess, on account of his, uh, brother Greg Louganising off of my roof.
V: It wasn't your fault Cassidy jumped.
L: Nothing's ever my fault.


Dick crashes a rally held by a campus feminist group,about the rapes that have been going on, and he pretends to be having sex with a blow-up doll.


 Dick goes looking for Mac's roommate, and finds Mac instead. He's drunk. 

Dick: My brother never cared about, you know? You were just his beard. 


Veronica (to Logan): Look, it's your BFF, the town drunk. 

Dick is trying to chat up a random girl in the cafeteria.

D: Hi, my name's Dick. What's yours?
Dee Dee: Dee Dee
D: How long have we known each other, Dee Dee?
DD: Eight...Seconds.
D: So, where's this going Dee Dee? I mean is this thing we feel real or are just in this for the torso butter?

Logan and Veronica are watching the whole thing go down, getting increasingly concerned.

D: Truth is, I've been kicked out of on-campus housing, and I know timing's a little sooner than we hoped for but what do you say we move in together? Make our own love nest.
DD: You should really walk away.
D: You'd like that wouldn't you? I'll admit it. The kid looks good walking away. It's all me too. Ass like Marky Mark and the entire funky bunch.

A big guy grabs Dick from behind and throws him to the ground. Logan asks Veronica for her bag. She swings it over to him, and Logan grabs it. In the meantime, Dick tries to stand up, and the guy punches him back down. It happens again. The guy lifts Dick to a standing position, and Dick just looks at him, making no move to fight back. Before the guy gets another punch in, Logan hits him from behind with Veronica's taser.

D: What? Do you want a hug or something?

Dick storms out, and Logan tells Veronica that he's going to try and talk to him. 


So basically, the entire episode, Dick is being an ass to everyone, including Logan, who seems to want to help. In the end, Dick does end up letting Logan help, because, as he says, he has nowhere else to go. And this is where I get into Logan. 

Logan does not have to let him in. He does not have to try and help. But he does. And, yeah, part of that is due to his feeling guilty that he didn't stop Cassidy from jumping. But not all of it. Because, at the end of the day, Cassidy hurt people that Logan cares about. And Logan isn't quick to forgive that. So I would argue that he really doesn't feel all that bad that Cassidy is dead. His actions are primarily driven by an understanding of Dick's actions. Logan has been there, in more ways than one, and that's what makes him want to help. 

Dick is lashing out and making a fool of himself and being awful to anyone he perceives as having any connection to Cassidy (Logan, Mac). His behavior is reprehensible. And this is Dick, so his behavior has always left something to be desired, but in this situation, Logan (and also Veronica, because she absolutely knows what's up) see's it for what it is. A coping mechanism. Dick is acting the way he is, because he doesn't know how to deal with Cassidy's death, or the things Cassidy did, or the things that were done to Cassidy, or his feelings of guilt about Cassidy's childhood. And Logan? Logan has been there. Over and over, in S1 and S2 we see Logan responding to things in the exact same way. The beginning of S1 features a Logan who is acting out, and doing stupid things, and being horrible to Veronica. And a lot of that behavior is due to his inability to cope with Lilly's death, and his feelings of guilt about her death. Logan reacts to highly emotional situations by lashing out, or being irrational. And when Dick does the exact same thing, he recognizes it. He see's what's happening, and he wants to help. 

Not to mention the parallel's between Dick's family and Logan's. Dick's father was emotionally abusive to Cassidy (and to Dick, in a different way). Logan's father was physically abusive towards Logan (and emotionally abusive towards Trina, to a certain extent). Their mother's were absent. Either literally in Dick's case, or emotionally in Logan's. Both of them lost a family member to suicide. Cassidy jumped off a roof, Lynn jumped off a bridge. And they both have murderers in their family, and perceived blood on their hands. Logan is always going to feel partially responsible for Lilly's death, and Dick is always going to feel partially responsible for everyone that Cassidy killed. 

So Logan gets it. And because he gets it, he can give Dick what he desperately needs. Someone who isn't going to yell, or judge, or tell him to get his act together. Someone who is going to say "You can stay here," no questions asked. Someone who knows that "I messed up bad" isn't totally in reference to recent behavior. Someone to say "It's gonna be okay," because he knows that it will, eventually, even if it doesn't feel like it right now. Someone who will hold him while he cries. 

Dick needs that. And Logan needs that. They need each other in S3, because they both need someone that knows. Someone who isn't going to judge them for doing what they can to make it through another day. And it pays off. Dick gets a little better, and it seems like by the end of the season, he's on the right track (and I will be forever bitter that the series ended, and we never got see whatever was in store for him). And when Logan needs a friend, Dick is there, in his own way, and he helps. 

This has been a post. A post of word and feelings vomit


I just have to respond to this post because: icon. Also, I love what you say, and I loved this show and now I am sad and angry all over again that they couldn't just pony up for another few episodes to GIVE ME CLOSURE, gosh darn it! *huff*
That is a truly excellent icon.

Thanks for reading and enjoying my ramblings!
I ♥ you

I love these boys, and FOREVER!BITTER with you about it ending where it did.

SO BITTER, BITTER ALL THE TIIIIME. Also bitter because it seemed like they might be setting up some future Mac and Dick interaction, and hacker!nerd girl/goofy surfer!bro adventures are really all I want from life. besides all the other things S4 could have given me that I wanted
THIS IS A GOOD POST. I'd never thought in-depth about how much Logan and Dick had in common. ;_______; That scene is one of my favourites and your analysis of the boys' relationship just makes it more awesome.

I hadn't really thought about just how similar they were, until I was writing this post. Because what is forethought?
This is...


I rarely think about the correlations between Logan and Dick because I get really caught up in Logan/Weevil shipping and feelings and parallels and everything THERE THAT IS THERE. But you are right- I was thinking (when I saw the gifset) immediately of Veronica's voice-over in 1x01 about every school needing a resident "psychotic jackass" and it surprises me every time that back then, it was Logan - when Dick supplants him as the seemingly one-dimensional psychotic jackass... only by the time you get to S3 - even that is being undermined by the narrative. Especially when, by the end of the episode we know that Logan and Veronica used to be pretty good friends -- so does she even believe that?

Can we talk about what a lovely job this series did of deconstructing it's own stereotypes?

Or at least - Veronica's stereotypes. For it is her voice and her narrative that brings us into this world, and as time goes by her narrative breaks down.

What's that even about? Is she our voice? Or is she different somehow? It seems like the voice over in the first episode doesn't accurately portray Veronica's own mind.

Or is it just because I cling to her development like an addlepated koala bear and cannot separate her growth from her person anymore?


((especially but not limited to how they both place their desperate need to ~protect the ~female on Veronica and how that becomes their main point of contention and interaction: who can be the better man for this, their Perfect Female 2.0 - because they could not protect Lilly from herself the world... because all of that is just LOVE INCARNATE to me. Shippiest damn ship I ever ship shipped. (fyi - I just went on a Weevil/Logan/Veronica fracking spree on tumblr and am having ~epic feels about the three of them being knights of old and how the boys just want a woman to protect and aren't the three of them just precious and made for each other and WHAT EVEN IS THIS I ASK YOU::

LOOK AT THEIR PRECIOUS FACES!!!) And I have completely derailed into emotions. I apologize. I just never get to talk about this show of my heart.))
Dick as psychotic jackass! YES.

Can we talk about what a lovely job this series did of deconstructing it's own stereotypes?

YES BECAUSE IT WAS A GLORIOUS THING. I think my all time favorite deconstruction was the deconstruction of Lilly. Because it makes perfect sense that we would at first see her as this amazing, perfect figure. The series is told from her best friends POV, so of ~course Veronica thinks the world of her. And on top of that, she has already been dead a year when the pilot happens. So of ~course people are remembering the good things about Lilly. She's dead. And either you cared about her and are still grieving, or you don't want to speak badly about a 16/17 y.o. girl who got brutally murdered. But then time goes on, and there are flashbacks, and there are times when solving the case requires Veronica to take a really honest look at her best friend. And we find out that Lilly was not actually this paragon of sweetness and light. She wasn't that great of a person, a lot of the time. Not that she was "bad" she was just a teenager, behaving recklessly and sometimes thoughtlessly. She was real (and we can talk about how even the dead girl who could have easily been nothing but a plot device, was a multi-dimensional character?). And then it turns out that she was killed because of something she had done (this is not meant as victim blaming, because obviously it was not her fault that she died. But she was more directly involved than if it had been because of a disgruntled former employee of her father's, or if it had been Duncan in a blackout). AND I LOVE THAT SO HARD. Because it would have been so easy to make her this martyr figure. But she wasn't. She was a victim, but Lilly Kane was nobody's martyr.

It seems like the voice over in the first episode doesn't accurately portray Veronica's own mind.

I see the voiceover as being her mind. But it's only part of her mind. We're only privy to some of her thoughts, and the first episode is when she is at an all time series high of lying to herself. She's completely alone, except for her dad, and has spent a solid year building increasingly higher walls to protect herself. So I tend to think that her voiceover is what she's telling herself over and over, to keep up the way she presents herself to the world. She ~needs to see Logan as a psychotic jackass, because he's acting like one, and it's easier to see that, than to see the boy who was her friend.

Or is it just because I cling to her development like an addlepated koala bear and cannot separate her growth from her person anymore?

There's an excellent chance that I have this same problem.

I really love this show to a borderline unhealthy degree. Did you see me spewing out feelings on my love resolution large!post? Because that was actually pretty contained.

Dick as psychotic jackass! YES.
The transference is so swift it's easy to forget Logan was once the most hated 09er.

I think my all time favorite deconstruction was the deconstruction of Lilly.
Oh gods YES.

Everything about this, you said all the words. Lilly/perfection is a ship Veronica has a hard time letting go of. (And one I'll bet we could argue Weevil never fully recovers from. My bb! *pets*) And it's just so THIS SHOW that the biggest break down is that of the innocent, perfect Feminine.

and the first episode is when she is at an all time series high of lying to herself
I'm hitching my wagon to this star. This I believe. Veronica is best at lying to herself.

I really love this show to a borderline unhealthy degree. Did you see me spewing out feelings on my love resolution large!post?
I do, too.
No - I did not! I shall look for it in the next couple of days (remind me??)
And one I'll bet we could argue Weevil never fully recovers from. My bb! *pets*

Weevil's perception of Lilly as a perfect person is something I find really interesting. Because I think he views her as "perfect" in a decidedly different way than Veronica, or Logan, or Duncan views her as "perfect." Because Weevil, I think, saw a side of Lilly that the others didn't know many concrete details about, until after she was dead. It's harder to ignore the reckless, cruel, and manipulative parts of someone, when you are the dirty little secret on the side. Weevil was where Lilly turned when she wanted to feel like she was living dangerously, and he knew that, but he loved her anyway. Weevil experienced a whole different angle of Lilly's apparent "live fast" philosophy (and oh my god, the things I could say about Lilly as a person bent on self-destruction), than what Logan and Veronica saw. And I think it was that exact thing that made her so perfect to him. He knew she wasn't perfect, thus her perfection.

And it's just so THIS SHOW that the biggest break down is that of the innocent, perfect Feminine.

You know what kills me? The juxtaposition of series!Veronica/dead!Lilly, and pre-series!Veronica/alive Lilly. Because where the pilot starts, we have Veronica, the complete opposite of an innocent, perfect feminine girl, and Lilly who is being put on a pedestal of female perfection. And in flashbacks we learn that pre-series, Veronica was ~actually the embodiment of innocent perfection, and Lilly was very much not.

No - I did not! I shall look for it in the next couple of days (remind me??)

It's here, whenever you want to look at it:

I should really get better at responding to you, bb. But my power keeps going out! So my lj time has been limited and sporadic. #woe

In conclusion: I want more Weevil/Lilly conversation, but ALSO I need you to watch Twin Peaks - because the development of Lilly's character is very much influenced by the work they did there. The series starts on the morning a teenage girl is found murdered. And the way the narrative spins out from her death to revealing an entire town's corruption is just... ugh. We wouldn't have Veronica Mars if this series had never existed. You will LOVE it.
TWIN PEAKS. I HAVE WATCHED AND DO LOVE TWIN PEAKS. And I could have ~sworn that we've talked about, but there's also a really good chance that I just saw you saying something about it, and thought "oh hey I love that show" and done nothing about it. There were large chunks of last year when I was really bad about doing that to my flist...

ANYWAY. TWIN PEAKS. I have only watched it once, and it was during an insomnia jag between thanksgiving and winter breaks in my first year of college, a little over 2 years ago, and I need to rewatch it and actually have fandomy thoughts, because there are at least a handful of people on my flist who I know have seen it, and I wasn't on LJ the first time I watched it. Also I should rewatch it simply because that's not the best show to rip through in a two week period, while getting maybe 3-4 hours of sleep a night...

AND OMG THE LILLY/LAURA PARALLELS. How did I not notice that before? the mindfuck of TP meets insomnia probably But yeah, their construction (and deconstruction) is super similar, in a good way. Though, I would say that Laura's place as "the perfect feminine" was far more established in life than Lilly's. BUT PERFECT TROPE INVERSION IS PERFECT.

OH AND. I know you said you're thinking of watching Psych. In s6 there is a TP tribute episode and it is actually the best thing I've ever seen. And once you've seen it, you should really look up the interviews with James Roday about it, because his adoration and respect for that show, and his total giddiness at getting to be a part of the episode is one of the most adorable things ever.

Also I asked my parents if they'd watched it when it was on, and they told me that they recorded it on tapes when it aired, and they still had them in the spring of '92, and when I woke up at night (as 0-6 mo's do) they'd usually watch TP while they put me back to sleep. So there's a good chance that TP was the first television I was exposed to. Which possibly explains a lot...